Idk why, i just started posting less and less...its weird, i dont really post anywhere else, but since ive never been such a prolific artist i dont really miss it...maybe some day ill resume posting who knows
I have this feeling that I just happenned to arrive on DA almost when, apparently it became "less good". I don't know that for sure, I just think that's the fact because that's what I read.
But it didn't prevent me from loving DA. It really did help me a lot, and I met a lot of lovely people.
So I'm just going to say this: yup, maybe the site isn't as great as it used to be. But seeing people leaving makes me sad. If the artists like the site, why not remaining here in order to try to make it a bit more okay? It may not be that much, but if a lot of people try this, I think it would still help... While if they're leaving, nothing happens. And that's sad.
Also, sorry if I did english mistakes, I'm still learning ths language.
it's harder now to get publicity than it was before, not that i was ever a great artist here but i was at least able to get a reasonably good amount of viewers and enough people that saw when i posted commissions.
because of that i stick with instagram/tumblr and frenchgirls(an app) i do and will still post here but it just doesn't seem that interesting anymore
It's really boring, I'm not noticed as often and there's nothing that new. I have one good friend on here but little followers, TUMBLR however has blessed me with more than 70 followers and a good number of my posts and art getting a lot of attention. I like it here well enough, it's just not as interesting as I'd like it to be.
I'm not completely leaving, but I mostly just use Tumblr now. I want to keep my gallery up since I started it in 2011, and I check on a few things/people here and there once in a blue moon [like today]. Most artists I loved on here kinda moved to Tumblr as well, so that's another reason why I drifted there.
Its a shame, DA has the easiest layout for following artists if you dont want to spend 24/7 on the internet. As in I hate how hard it is to see new pieces of art on feed-style sites like Tumblr or Twitter. Because unless the artist is super popular (as in being reblogged often enough) or I'm just...on tumblr at a really specific time of day, I'm missing a bunch of art that people have posted and just dont know that they posted it >_< Its so hard to keep up with what people are doing, and yet tumblr is the go-to site for artists right now ;_; And thats sad, because as everyone has said, DA doesnt have a great community presence any more. I dont get nearly as many comments or faves as I used to 5 years ago say, even just on journal posts, and not many people are posting up their own stuff for me to comment on either. I didnt really notice the difference until I joined Furaffinity, where the community and enthusiasm is still going strong. Another issue about the community thing though, is that whilst the community has moved more to Tumblr mostly, Tumblr is not a good format in which to create an 'art' focused community, as in a place where you can comment in detail on art or keep track of artists easily (as I said above, have to be on tumblr at a super specific time in order to see the new thing someone has posted =_. Tumblr is in its nature a site for just quickly browsing through in the moment and then leaving again. You arent supposed to leave long comments or have long discussions, unless you want to create a big confusing post full of a gazillion reblogs. But I feel like perhaps that is rubbing off everywhere because of social media in general. I'm not sure if this is maybe why people dont really comment on art anymore on DA? They are used to not doing it in general any more, and it si def harder to make long comments if you're browsing from a phone too. Anyway, it does discourage artists alot when people dont comment, you just remember comments more then faves admittidly, and neither tumblr nor DA are very good at getting unknown artists a chance to gain followers or feedback in this kinda way
I am a recent member (I have only been active in the past two years), and it's sad to read that dA used to be a great place to get noticed and get feedback, and now it's harder than it used to be. I remember hearing years ago about how dA was the place to see fantastic art. Now it's so full of stuff: both the good and the bad. If only there was regulations of what to post on here, or team members to limit the junk, how changed this place could be, and only for the better.
I have a lot of issues with the website itself and the direction it's been going in. They add a lot of new features that nobody wants or uses, and seem to ignore the communities opinions on those sorts of things. //flashbacks to the stupid logo change and raised premium price// I wasn't around when it was easy to gain exposure, but I've heard tons about it and it really sucks. I'm a fanartist, so my own activity/feedback relies heavily on flavor of the month or forever loved fandoms. It's sad o see though, cause i've found a number of talented artists who should have a vast follower count - but they dont because it's harder to find them and their work the way the website works. I've even had friends who wanted to work to improve their art and share it, but give up soon after because they feel discouraged by the lack of response. :/
I've thought of quitting the site a lot of times, but there are a few things that manage to keep me here. My biggest reason for staying is the people I've met through deviantart, there's a lot of super nice and awesome people who have supported my art and talked with me, so I wanna stick around for them. Deviantart is also one of the best sites I've been on for getting feedback through comments on my art. Sometimes I get feedback through tags in tumblr reblogs, but otherwise not much feedback to go by. I recently joined instagram and it's pretty slow going for me compares to other sites.
As I see it, Deviantart is going downhill pretty fast, but the community of people I've come into contact with is the reason I'm hanging in an voted neutral.
I think dA easily has the best interface/structure of any of the popular "for art" websites that I've seen. It's way too convenient for me to leave. I just wonder if it's gotten too big. It's not impossible to get noticed here, but it take some real effort. You have to do groups, thumbshare forum, send out llamas, etc. It works, but it takes time, which you might better off spending on something else.
People on here are SO nice!! I don't have tumblr or YouTube or anything, but I've heard and seen that the comments on there can be much worse, or just not as polite. I personally find most people on dA incredibly sweet, complimentary, and respectful.
It really is quite terrible these days. The community doesn't feel quite the same, and the site itself has really strayed from what it's original purpose was, I think. I could go on and on if I wanted to, I certainly have before. But I think everyone knows what I'm talking about. But the thing is... I want to like it, yknow? I'm still here. I still come back and I still, admittedly, enjoy it. Despite the reminders everywhere that it's not the same and that a lot of it kinda sucks. I think I'm in denial, actually. A part me really just wishes I could pretend that nothing has changed.
With anything else I really don't think I'd care that much. But I kinda grew up with dA and there's a sort of nostalgia connected to it that makes it a little more difficult to give up.
I'm not saying there aren't any bad points to Deviantart. My only concern is how you have to pay for Premium Membership just to keep the viral ads at bay, you know? Still, there's other website I'd rather be.
Yeah... I'm not all that active any more, but I used to get at least one or two watchers, comments, and several favourites each time I posted something. Now I'm lucky if the viewcount on any new submission reaches over 10 people.
I still use it because it's handy to have and refer people to, and a nice gallery of my art over the years. I think I'll be switching over to Ello and ArtStation more, though *shrugs* It's changed quite a bit, and ... not really for the better. As someone else said here, good for followers, pretty dashed bad for anyone who actually wants to create a following.
To add personal experiences based on what RainSong777said,
My biggest issue is the lack of activity on my page, or anywhere really. I'm saddened that exposure has become harder than it ever was. This kind of stuff hurts people, and not just exposure-wise, but confidence-wise.
There are friends who've asked me why they aren't getting views, and even questioned their artistic legitimacy as a result of that. Heck, I have too, plenty of times, and the feeling wasn't very pleasant. However, the fact that I made half of my 2-year dA follower count on Instagram in just 2 months, basically confirmed that staff messed up the website algorithms they had to help expose people. Because of this, and other things, I've had to tell people over and over again that it's dA, and not them. And since dA is, in my opinion, the biggest and best art community to network and meet friends, it's harder for people who have emotional connections to leave. I've met all my closest friends thanks to dA, and I don't like seeing it go down like this. But if posting here doesn't help me become a better artist, is it really worth pouring in all my blood, sweat, and tears? I love this place, and I have a huge soft spot for it, but I don't know what I'd do if I end up gaining more followers elsewhere. I want to focus my time on sites that give me more feedback and audience involvement.
What hurts me the most is not opening this account sooner. Or maybe I should have stayed with my old one. Maybe I'd have more reach then. Who knows? :/
Nothing is perfect, and as long as a sight is run by people who aren't artist, then there are going to be problems... Hell, as long as there is anything run by people there are going to be problems. I'm not saying I'm for the rise of robots here, I'm just saying two (or more) minds are always worse than one. People have different thoughts across the board. And the people running this are doing what they think is best. Is it? Who knows, but they think so. Other's will disagree. And more will have no opinion at all. Sadly, the people making the calls, are people sitting in a small room, closed off from real people and most likely not real artists, these are also the same people trying to appease a mass of people on this sight. People who never seem to be happy. It's a double sided sword sadly.
I will always have a soft spot for dA and I'm sad to see it becoming an empty shell and a shadow of what it once was All of my friends I've made on here I've added on other "real world" internet sites like Facebook, so I interact with them there. But I did meet my fiancé here (well, at a devmeet) and formed lifelong friendships, so I will always be indebted to dA in some way!
Pity the admins only care about the money and don't give a shit about the community anymore
I like it, it's had its ups and downs but I'm happy posting my art here and looking at others. I prefer it to tumblr for posting art no question. After a while on tumblr I just get fed up with all the drama an such related stuff in my stream, so mainly I stick here.
Personally as an artist who is trying to build an audience to enjoy my work, I don't really put much energy into dA. I haven't had much luck getting traffic to my page and sometimes it just doesn't seem like it's worth the time or energy to post here. I pop in every once in a while though to dump art just because it IS an extra outlet to show work and I feel it'd be silly of me not to take the opportunity since I am so... unimportant? It's definitely not my first choice though.
Facebook is also pretty terrible. Many many complaints about how they make you pay money if you actually want your posts to reach everyone who is following you, or reach anyone new. Only those who already engage in your page are liable to even see your posts -_- I'm sure if you're already popular it works well enough but not for me.
I put most of my energy into instagram and tumblr. I've had the most luck on those two sites so that's where my energy usually goes. Insta is great to post quick wip stuff and tumblr is great for... well, everything. Including the stuff I may not feel comfy posting on insta just because I have real life people following me on there and sometimes my trashy shipping will come out in my art. So yeah. That's basically how my system works right now. Tumblr and Instagram are the places to be for both viewing art and posting my own work
I would leave DA if there existed another site with as much traffic to it to be honest. I've been here for a long time and the site has not improved at all. For one, they don't protect the rights of artists. I have had (and still have) people tracing my art, ripping off my oc's, "heavily referencing" my stuff and the mods just say "Meh. They changed it enough. Try watermarking more." (Which doesn't help anything but okay...)
I have also wanted them to up their filters a bit. Let us choose what content we want to see. I'm sure there's people out there that enjoy floods of soft core porn, shipping from every series across the board, and furries. I would like the option to not see said things. Other, smaller sites have them.
I also am not impressed with the bias nature of the mods in regards to their DD selection. On holidays like Easter and Christmas they've outright refused anything that reflects the cultural and religious nature of the holiday (ie- their origins) but they'll post anti-religious pictures on those days because we don't want to offend anyone (...except the religious community. Catholics, Jews, Christians, Mormons- sorry. You don't count.)
I think dA's biggest problem right now is the lack of activity all across the board. Popular artists are getting less traffic and new/unrecognized artists get none I've noticed that within the last few months, I'm getting a strangely decent amount of page views, and even a few new watchers, but nobody is active. I'm lucky to get a fave here and there and seldom do people comment on my artwork. I wish I could have conversations with the people who see my art and talk about what I can improve on or what they like about it (I hate that I have to pay-and pay double- to have critique options available).
I mostly post just to share with my friends and watchers who genuinely enjoy my artwork. It's true that dA is good to use because it's art-centered, but for reasons that I still can't figure out, nobody is active. My theory is that it became harder for us to navigate the site, I know I personally don't like the new interface and aside from feeling too much like Facebook, it's just confusing. I never go through the watch feed because it's much faster to just go to the notifications on my page? I discover new artists manually, usually by looking at who my friends or favorite artists watch.
So currently, I'm not happy with the site uvu. I wish they would try to promote artists, inexperienced and experienced alike, who are serious about getting into the art field and I wish their focus would be on the artists- all of us- as much as the artwork. Right now I don't see a clear purpose for this site, and I don't understand dA's goal. I wish the point of the site would be to connect and GROW with other artists as we share art and feedback with each other, but it's not happening that way, and I think that's why so many people are unhappy here~
I like some things about it and it's handy to have an easy place to store and refer to a lot of my artwork, but the community is just getting too gross for me. The filtering system is basically non-existent and most of the time you have to wade through porn or anime (or anime porn) just to get to something good. I still post here, but I don't usually post here first.
You've spoken in a couple of journals about the changes made to DA that were rather disadvantageous to artists. I couldn't add anything other than to condemn DA for pulling the stunts they did. And shame on the staff member - I can't remember the name now, sorry - who decided to post a journal that said, "Ask me questions!" and never bothered to reply to any of them. The average user, either paying or not, either volunteer or not, is really ignored by the staff and owners of DA.
I mentioned recently in a journal that the Daily Deviations used to be displayed more prominently. It made sense: community volunteers decided that a piece was worth recognition, why not feature it somewhere easy to see right up front. "Hey, we as a community are proud of this work!" Now they're pushed off to the side, hard to notice, or at least where I suspect few people perusing the site really care to look.
Everything's been set up to attract advertisers. And I get it, DA makes money off of ads, and DA needs money to run, yada yada. Show popular stuff so that when a potential ad client sees it, they see good stuff. So that an individual looking at this site, at least from the artist perspective, may see some of the best and most popular that DA has to offer. I get that.
And if you're a writer, rather than an artist ... well, really, good luck being seen.
But I found your art through the front page; I found the art of some incredible artists through the front page, before DA made the changes it made.
Then DA made a crapload of changes to the logo, to what could be seen, a status tab, and made it more "Facebook" like. But I don't need to tell you any of that.
I've been considering other channels, and I may consider them more seriously at some point since my venue is primarily literature. What keeps me from hitting the "Delete Account" button right now is that there are people here who I honestly enjoy speaking with.
I like the place, as it's a good place to get a good look at the art posted by my favourite artists, and it's easy to stay on top of things. Then again. I'm not one of the bigshot artists, as I have very few followers and aren't all that great, and I don't have any other kind of contact with the community in general, so I've never been in a position to experience any of the bad sides of dA. I use my instagram more than anything, and post sketches to it almost daily, and it's become my favourite art place, though the small pictures makes it hard to see any of the lovely details of larger artworks. Facebook is.. Meh. I use it only to follow my favourite artists that have facebook pages. I don't use tumblr, cause it was just too messy and chaotic for me to understand it. Might look into it later at some point. For now, dA is the best option for me to view art, and so I'll stay here.
I'm pretty much with everyone else. I don't mind the Core thing. I had to switch from paying every year to every 3 months, though. I've also lost a ton of my watchers on my old account simply for going on a hiatus, with almost no chance of getting them back.
This site is also useless for new artists getting noticed. I made this new account like six months ago. After being active on it for three months, I made only 18 watchers, none of which are active. The moment I made this new account, they pretty much forced me to watch 5 popular artists. Good traffic for the popular artists, not so much for the new fellows trying to get out there.
I like the way this site functions more than tumblr or Instagram, it's purely for artists and feedback and has a relatively good system but I'm basically still here cause it's where I got my start and already have a small following and I don't see anywhere else that will be comparable :/ I don't like tumblr cause I can't keep up with everyone's posts, this is much more organized, and I don't like Instagram cause I don't wanna have people I know in the real world seeing my stuff, I feel like this is a little more private and lesser known. I'm always mortified when people I know irl finding my private musings that I'm only willing to share with people I've never met! I've gotten teased for my fan characters and always told I'm wasting my time and should be spending my time making things I can sell to earn money! Yes, I'm aware of that, but I don't care! This is my hobby, I don't make decent money selling art and it takes way too much out of me, it's just not worth it. I only do it for my enjoyment. And that's what this site is for me, I share with people who also enjoy it and don't make fun of me, even if it's dwindled to around 20-30 people out of the almost 700 watchers I accumulated over the years... So depressing -_-
I've been here for years (I've had three accounts) and I used to love DA, it used to be easy to find the things i loved and block the things I don't want to see. But now, it's gotten to the point where I check my watch list to see if the artists I'm watching have posted anything new, or see if they have any new favs from other artists, but I basically avoid the main pages. It seems like every time I go on them even with the mature content off all I see is half naked women and men, or fetish content and that's just not my thing, if I wanted to see shit like that I would go literally any where else, it would be nice if they had better filtering or even an option to block something so it doesn't keep popping up. Idk, it's beginning to be not worth it anymore, I follow more artists on Tumblr, Facebook, and Instagram than I do here, it's just easier. DA needs to get it's shit together.
Ugggh... Rant Over. P.S. you're amazing, sorry DA has made it more difficult for you and other amazing artists to get the traffic and recognition you deserve.
Exactly. I'm a photographer and I swear to god that "artistic nude" does NOT mean a badly lit, out of focus, grotty closeup of a slimy vagina (because let's face it, it's only ever p*ssy that everyone posts). I lost faith in DA years ago when a little bitch blocked me because I crit one of her drawings which, let's be honest, was really bad.
RIGHT! God.... do you know how hard it is to explain to people that, no I don't mind nudity, but it's about the quality and what it's depicting. I don't like desperate attention seeking naked brod's shoved into an uncomfortable position that is meant to be nothing but, strictly revealing, and try to call it art; it's pornography not art. and i don't know how many times i've opened DA and there is at least 5 pictures of women in underwear or shoved into latex suits, and i just close my computer... it's frustrating. not to mention the app is atrocious, just god awful.
and also, People like the one who couldn't take criticism, bother me. people need to understand that not everyone is going to like what you do, you shouldn't be drawing for anyone but yourself. I mean accepting commission is fine, but don't do it because you feel obligated, do it because that's what you really want to do. idk, i just feel society as a whole is way to sensitive about everything.
I like my watchers and stick around for a community that I'm in and I have a lot of friends here... but the staff is crap and they don't care about the artists on this site at all. Tumblr is better at dealing with art theft than dA is, which is just plain sad. :T
As someone who is mostly here to follow artists its okay I suppose. But it would seem that if you're here as an artist - especially a popular one - there can be... problems. Either you have issues getting noticed or, if you manage to get popular, there's always a bunch of jerkwads happy to try and cut you down to size.
I do like DA since it's a great way to get in touch with other artists, fans and interesting people. You can start projects, discuss and get and give feedback. I don't mind pricing and other things too much either. I actually found a few good friends here which is unusual for me since I'm very reserved and careful on the internet.
My biggest problem here is mobbing and attitude of some people. There I'm not refering to myself but a few friends of mine who've literally been mobbed away from DA some years back. And while they did notify the DA support there was never any consequence for the responsible people. Some people think this is a place to be powerful and play the big boss or act like they're the best artist in the whole wide world and know everything better than you. Sure critiques are nice and can be harsh and all, that's how we grow but some people here just overdo it and turn their feedbakc into some strange power-play. That's at least how I experience it. A few people take their fandom a tad too serious, too, attacking anyone who states something else. Other times you get a request for some piece of art with 10 characters in it and magic and whoopdy-doo and get molested for turning it down or wanting some kind of payment for it.
I'm not sure if the whole morality thing is just a problem of DA or a general issue that comes along with the internet. But DA is one of the few places where I've heard and experienced it to be so extreme. Everyone can do everything since it's anonymous. There's never any consequence because if their account is banned or deleted they'll just open a new one with a new name.
Well i have a lot of memories and good friends here so i dont think id ever leave but, the all Facebook look and décline in views brought by those updates is really frustrating. ( Also while im here, there is a fanart you may have missed, à bookmark in the color folder i think. And Ash drew you à fanart à while ago, although you probably saw it, but just in case ^^. Ta !)
I haven't been active on here for very long, so I'm going with neutral. So far, I've been spared a lot of the problems others are experiencing, but I've been hearing a lot about them. The Core system seems pretty stupid to me; I'd like some of the benefits but I don't really want to sign up for it. Also, I'm not sure the site is very handy for new artists to promote their work. I may just not know the best strategies for that sort of thing, though.
You might not want to continue posting on FB. They have a clause that anything posted on FB belongs to them and they can use it if they so choose without asking you first. If you just wanna get something out there, that might be fine for you, but anything you want to keep, you might not wanna do that.
I know about that, but I'm not sure they'll use any of our stuffs, how would that look like some nr1 celeb posts photos on FB, they take it? no im not sure they would use it at all. Just look at that FB quality picture lol I never saw a 50dpi picture but I think that is what facebook uses :"D
Also since I read an article here on dA about using other's art, I always copy and paste art by me please do not use etc etc. I think that will help.
Well, that covers you here, so long as said people aren't the type of people to overlook that, but FB CAN use any picture posted on their sight, just because they haven't yet, doesn't mean they won't. It happened to one of my teachers.
They used one on my teachers pictures (one he drew) for a promotion they did (on FB) when he tried to go after them for it, he learned that they have this clause when you sign up that says they have the right to use anything picture you post if they so choose.